This is a snapshot of SKS (Sangeet Ke Sitare) that Dr Arunabha Roy had created. It makes a delightful and nostalgic read for those who interacted on the forum in those days. Arunabha, you being my friend, I have taken the liberty to post this without asking for your permission. I hope you do not mind.
This links to the tribute to Priya
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From: "asroyus"
Date: Thu May 8, 2003 8:23 pm
Subject: Snapshot of SKS
No, this isn't one of those literal adobe-acrobat-doctored "snapshots"
that are so common on SKS nowadays. Just thought to myself: amidst the
smorgasbord of topics discussed on SKS, certain patterns emerge and
repeat at regular intervals to the point where they remain entrenched
in one's mind. I've put together a typical sequence of SKS posts which
in my mind forms a representative sample of what SKS is all about. No
offence is intended to anyone, just take it lightly.
- Arunabha
------------------------------------------------------------------
Everybody, please vote for your favorite male singer.
Kishore is the best - why even ask ?
You must be kidding -Kishore sings loud songs. He is not even in the
golden era.
No. Just listen to Kishore's songs for Husnalal Bhagatram and Anil
Biswas and you will revise your opinion. Here is a clip.
Oooh ! What a song by the master ! AB rules !
I like Talat.
Ya, but only when you want to go to sleep. If you want to charm the
women, get Hemanta. No woman I have met has been unmoved by his singing.
I don't follow Hindi but this Hemanta song is so nice. I
wish I could spend the entire day just listening to these songs. But
then I wouldn't accomplish any work, sigh. Anyway, got to stop
listening now, the people around me are giving me strange looks.
Anyway it is raining now and ....
I am willing to jump off the second storey if I can have access to all
of Kishore's work. (Really, I did this in college, so don't challenge me)
Where is Sathya ?
Hi everyone, just uploaded a rare NJ song.
THANKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!
FYI, that song was composed by Khwaja Khurshid Anwar, composer of
immortal melodies for Noor Jehan during her post-partition stint in
Pakistan. It was composed on May 12, 1961. Recently these feckless
companies have come out with jhankaar beats-enhanced remix versions of
Madam's songs.
New wallpaper of NJ uploaded.
Another wallpaper uploaded.
And one more !
Really, what beautiful photos ! Which software did you use ?
Guys, have you heard this song at www.musicindiaonline.com/blah/blah
? It's awesome. Rafi rocks !
LOL ! It's actually Mahendra Kapoor singing.
You call Mahendra Kapoor's "singing" singing ?!!
Naushad replaced the dogs of the Tamil original with Mahendra
Kapoor. Wonder why ?
Terrible song, but Mukesh shines.
Mukesh degraded beyond recognition in the 70s. It didn't help that LP
composed songs to drown out the melody in raucous dholak beats.
Yes, the bridge over Godavari suffered permanent damage during the
filming of the Milan songs. Appeared in the TOI.
Guys, what are you talking about ? LP and raucous ? I guess it has
become fashionable to diss L-P at every available opportunity. They
were the uncrowned masters at their game. Even with Asha who was never
their mainstay they have 200 gems !
LP were single-handedly responsible for the degradation of Hindi film
music as we know it today. Compare them with Jaidev or Khaiyyaam, who
showed that it was stil possible to compose quality music in the 70s.
Jaidev ? Pshaw. He composed for a mere 23 films. LP did 1000 !
Yes, but we are talking of quality here, not quantity. LP always
catered to the masses.
Sigh. So it's the classes-versus masses argument again, isn't it ? A
specious argument if I ever saw one. If for every song Jaidev composed
LP composed 50 in the same time, doesn't it stand to reason that
Jaidev could create a better tune ?
Yes, but that's the point ! Jaidev's tunes ARE better !
But LP have composed 10,000 songs !
Jaidev made great use of classical and folk tunes. Talking of catering
to the classes and to the masses, there is one and only one composer
who managed to straddle the two effectively - SDB.
We have the SDB mantra available for free download, at
www.sdburman.com Download it and cure your schizophrenia and all other
ailments. Madeline O Brien take note.
What does SDB say in that song ?
I don't know, it sounds like Bengali.
Even Bengalis don't follow what SDB sings in Bengali. SDB Rules !
Was SDB Bengali ? I thought he was from Tripura.
No, MDB was from Bengal. She composed all his songs.
Guys !!!!!!!!! You won't believe this ! Did you know that it was
actually RDB who composed "ruup teraa mastaanaa ? What a revelation !
SDB won the most votes in the recently concluded poll. Take a look !
Three cheers for Old Man !
That's only because he is in the top five of everyone's list ,
aged 10-100. And no one's No. 1 choice. Just combining the various
people's votes, he gets the first spot. The average is always a
misleading measure of the sample.
Bandini is superb. He deserved the Filmfare award for that rather than
the tepid Abhimaan.
Abhimaan is my favorite SDB soundtrack !!!
These awards don't mean anything. Anilda didn't get even one and LP
got eight ! Do we then understand that they are 8 times superior to
Anilda ? And don't even get me started on CR ....
Well, but even Lata, when she selected her ten best songs on her
silver jubilee of singing in films, chose zero AB songs, one by LP,
and two by Madan Mohan.
See, I told you. In the final reckoning, Madan Mohan is the
best. Classical, ghazal, qawalli, fun song, cabaret, you name it ....
Returning to Abhimaan, I must take back what I said earlier. While
"meet na milaa re man kaa" sucks, "piyaa binaa" and "ab to hai tum se
" are actually quite good.
Lata was way past her prime in Abhimaan. He should have got Asha.
"Way past her prime". What do you mean by "past one's prime" ? After
her so-called primes she sang .... (list of twenty-five 80s and 90s
songs, ending with "so gaye hain") If after this you claim she is past
her prime, I have no more argument.
Lata's voice has soul, Asha's voice has body.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Do you mean to say Asha's singing lacks soul ?
Here's an easy quiz : an extra in film f1 utters a bit of dialogue.
This dialogue becomes a title of an extremely popular song in the 2003
film f2, picturized on the son of the actor who played the villain in
film f3.Film f3 has a heroine who is related to the real-life father
of the bride in film f1, as well as to the stunt-director of film f4.
film f4 and film f2 share a common phrase in their titles.
Got it ! Solved it in 0.3 seconds ! It is blah and blah-blah and
blah-blah and blah. Waiting to crack the next quiz :-)
is newsgroup me.n ko_ii ghazal me.n dilchaspii rakhataa hai ? agar ho
to mai.n kuchh arz karuu.n ? mere aziiz ghazal gaayako.n me.n Ghulam
AliKhan saahab aur Jagjit Singh-ji hai.n
Mehdi Hassan beats Ghulam Ali by a mile.
No, I think Ghulam Ali is more mellow.
Here are the top ten romantic songs of all time. (Long list and
descriptions)
I amazed that there are some non-Noor Jehan songs you have included in
the list !
Just yesterday they had a program on NJ and they said she sang for
five years and then went to Pakistan. As if she did nothing after
that, sat at home, you know ?!. What an insult to the greatest singer!
Really, meraa khuun khaul rahaa thaa.
Relax, those announcers are lazy, ignorant bozos, and are just
indulging in self-fulfilling prophecies. Madam sang this disco song in
91, just listen to it !
In ghazals, Lata-Madan Mohan were the best. Better than your Anil
Biswas, CR, Jaidev and everyone else. Madan Mohan was an excellent
cook -whether in the matter of tunes or songs. Lata sez ! (in this clip)
Yes, but he did not use Asha at all.
Or Geeta ! She was the singer with the most expressive voice. What
fabulous bass ! And a lilt all-too-endearing. According to me, she was
better than Lata, Asha, and everyone else. Literally clear-as-bells
quality to her singing. Lata and Asha's singing is so studied, dry and
academic in comparison.
Let us compare Geeta Dutt and Noor Jehan. Both emoted so well in their
singing.
Emote ? Asha mentioned in the legends tape that Geeta Dutt couldn't
laugh while singing. So SDB made her sing instead for both of them.
Asha's comment is in such poor taste. Couldn't she find anything good
to say about Geeta Dutt ? These legends tributes really suck.
Humanity sucks. I am going to Mars.
After listening to this song, I am beginning to feel that Martians
have good taste.
Oh, they have excellent taste !
Check out the photo of the do jasoos together with Naushad.
I could not see the photo - where is it ?
It's at the SKS main website. Click away and go crazy !
Why does Naushad look petrified ?
It's because I have CR's paw around his neck.
Dev Anand is off to make his hundredth film based in Chicago "Love at
Sears Tower" He says it's going to be a very "different" romantic
film, with a totally modern feel. It's a historical moment in the
timescape of Hindi film cinema, folks. Please celebrate the great man
and his achievments!
Sheeesh ! Will he never cease being an embarrassment to his fans ?
Dev Anand has fans ? That's news to me. Who are these people ?
Dev Anand was the most dapper and well-dressed person of his times.
Always young at heart and always a thorough gentleman. Like SDB. Any
woman would love to have him !
And countless guys idolize him, too. He is a role model. What style,
what charisma, what consummate suaveness ? Who cares if he dons red
frilled shirts and blue tweed trousers ? Or even blue frilled shirts
and red tweed trousers ?
Please vote for the ten best songs of Anilda.
I refuse to vote as I cannot choose only ten representative songs for
Anilda.
"jaa mai.n tose nahiin boluu.N" is missing in your list of ten songs.
How could you !
My word, to my utter chagrin I discover that you are right. How COULD
I ? Anyway, please do vote.
"jaa main tose" deserves to be ranked among the best classical songs
in Hindi films. Lata was unparalleled in her classical singing. And
Manna De among the males.
No, I think Kishore Kumar was without a doubt the best male singer
when it came to classical. And ghazal. And bhajan. And qawali. And
chhe.D chhaa.D. And romantic song. And sad song. And...
Kishore and classical !! Well I never ! Name even one song. Can he
even compare with "man taDapat" or "duniyaa ke rakhwaale" . Did you
know Rafi's throat bled while recording the latter ?
On the subject of classical songs, does any one happen to have the
beaut "baa.Ndh preeti phul Dor" by Lata ? Lata sang it before Bade
Ghulam Ali Khan was to appear on stage at a concert. Such was the
effect, even after BGAK took the stage, people were clamoring for Lata
to sing instead of him.
If I want to listen to classical, I'll listen to Kishori or Bhimsen
Joshi or Amir Khan.Not hindi film music !
So you don't care for HFM, is it ? Too low-brow ?
Oh no ! It's all a matter of mood- you see, on day 1, Kishori Amonkar
and Amir Khan. On day 2, Mehdi Hassan and Iqbal Bano.on Day 3, SDB and
SDB,.On day 4, Jaidev, Roshan and Nadeem Shravan. On Day 5, Bappi
Lahiri and RDB. See that way I emerge feeling happy at the end of the
week. Music of all moods, that's the key.
Kishore is the best. No one says that you need to be able to sing
classical in order to be a film singer. dono.n apanii apanii jagah
kaayam hai.n
PSmith says the following on the subject of work :
....
Oh, I love PG Wodehouse. Do you ?
What, you haven't gone to sleep, yet ! It must be 4 am there, naa ?
Please send me the source of your article on Khaiyyaam,, i.e. which
website did you cut and paste from , i.e. which site did you point
your mouse and double click, wait for it to load, then copy the
selected text, go to SKS, and click on paste ?
Grrrr. I know what you mean by the "source of the article" !
Sahir was the best.
But Shailendra is the man after my heart. Shailendra's writing had the
mysticism of a Sufi poet.
But everyone recites Sahir's poetry at parties. Think of any romantic
song and it's likely to be Sahir's.
True, but Sahir appealed to a very select high-brow intellectual
cross-section of the public.
Here's a slightly more difficult quiz this time .... this singer sang
only once with this singer (OK, I'm almost sure of that)....blah-blah
singer...blah-blah ... film..blah.... director...blah....singer ...
and this actor and actress were paired only once ever in hindi films
(OK, I'm reasonably sure of that) ...film...blah..singer...Sharda...
blah......
All your clues were wrong! X also starred with Y in the Z-grade film
"Samundar Aur Ek Machhli" A sang the duet with C in 1958 P-grade film,
"Bijli Ki Sansanahat" Anyway I have still cracked the quiz. Here are
the answers !
Damn. Those were red herrings intended to throw you off the track.
Didn't work, I guess :-(
C also sang in this film with A !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and so on .....
"chalataa rahe ye kaaravaa.N,
umr\-e\-ravaa.N kaa kaaravaa.N"
This links to the tribute to Priya
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: "asroyus"
Date: Thu May 8, 2003 8:23 pm
Subject: Snapshot of SKS
No, this isn't one of those literal adobe-acrobat-doctored "snapshots"
that are so common on SKS nowadays. Just thought to myself: amidst the
smorgasbord of topics discussed on SKS, certain patterns emerge and
repeat at regular intervals to the point where they remain entrenched
in one's mind. I've put together a typical sequence of SKS posts which
in my mind forms a representative sample of what SKS is all about. No
offence is intended to anyone, just take it lightly.
- Arunabha
------------------------------------------------------------------
Everybody, please vote for your favorite male singer.
Kishore is the best - why even ask ?
You must be kidding -Kishore sings loud songs. He is not even in the
golden era.
No. Just listen to Kishore's songs for Husnalal Bhagatram and Anil
Biswas and you will revise your opinion. Here is a clip.
Oooh ! What a song by the master ! AB rules !
I like Talat.
Ya, but only when you want to go to sleep. If you want to charm the
women, get Hemanta. No woman I have met has been unmoved by his singing.
I don't follow Hindi but this Hemanta song is so nice. I
wish I could spend the entire day just listening to these songs. But
then I wouldn't accomplish any work, sigh. Anyway, got to stop
listening now, the people around me are giving me strange looks.
Anyway it is raining now and ....
I am willing to jump off the second storey if I can have access to all
of Kishore's work. (Really, I did this in college, so don't challenge me)
Where is Sathya ?
Hi everyone, just uploaded a rare NJ song.
THANKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!
FYI, that song was composed by Khwaja Khurshid Anwar, composer of
immortal melodies for Noor Jehan during her post-partition stint in
Pakistan. It was composed on May 12, 1961. Recently these feckless
companies have come out with jhankaar beats-enhanced remix versions of
Madam's songs.
New wallpaper of NJ uploaded.
Another wallpaper uploaded.
And one more !
Really, what beautiful photos ! Which software did you use ?
Guys, have you heard this song at www.musicindiaonline.com/blah/blah
? It's awesome. Rafi rocks !
LOL ! It's actually Mahendra Kapoor singing.
You call Mahendra Kapoor's "singing" singing ?!!
Naushad replaced the dogs of the Tamil original with Mahendra
Kapoor. Wonder why ?
Terrible song, but Mukesh shines.
Mukesh degraded beyond recognition in the 70s. It didn't help that LP
composed songs to drown out the melody in raucous dholak beats.
Yes, the bridge over Godavari suffered permanent damage during the
filming of the Milan songs. Appeared in the TOI.
Guys, what are you talking about ? LP and raucous ? I guess it has
become fashionable to diss L-P at every available opportunity. They
were the uncrowned masters at their game. Even with Asha who was never
their mainstay they have 200 gems !
LP were single-handedly responsible for the degradation of Hindi film
music as we know it today. Compare them with Jaidev or Khaiyyaam, who
showed that it was stil possible to compose quality music in the 70s.
Jaidev ? Pshaw. He composed for a mere 23 films. LP did 1000 !
Yes, but we are talking of quality here, not quantity. LP always
catered to the masses.
Sigh. So it's the classes-versus masses argument again, isn't it ? A
specious argument if I ever saw one. If for every song Jaidev composed
LP composed 50 in the same time, doesn't it stand to reason that
Jaidev could create a better tune ?
Yes, but that's the point ! Jaidev's tunes ARE better !
But LP have composed 10,000 songs !
Jaidev made great use of classical and folk tunes. Talking of catering
to the classes and to the masses, there is one and only one composer
who managed to straddle the two effectively - SDB.
We have the SDB mantra available for free download, at
www.sdburman.com Download it and cure your schizophrenia and all other
ailments. Madeline O Brien take note.
What does SDB say in that song ?
I don't know, it sounds like Bengali.
Even Bengalis don't follow what SDB sings in Bengali. SDB Rules !
Was SDB Bengali ? I thought he was from Tripura.
No, MDB was from Bengal. She composed all his songs.
Guys !!!!!!!!! You won't believe this ! Did you know that it was
actually RDB who composed "ruup teraa mastaanaa ? What a revelation !
SDB won the most votes in the recently concluded poll. Take a look !
Three cheers for Old Man !
That's only because he is in the top five of everyone's list ,
aged 10-100. And no one's No. 1 choice. Just combining the various
people's votes, he gets the first spot. The average is always a
misleading measure of the sample.
Bandini is superb. He deserved the Filmfare award for that rather than
the tepid Abhimaan.
Abhimaan is my favorite SDB soundtrack !!!
These awards don't mean anything. Anilda didn't get even one and LP
got eight ! Do we then understand that they are 8 times superior to
Anilda ? And don't even get me started on CR ....
Well, but even Lata, when she selected her ten best songs on her
silver jubilee of singing in films, chose zero AB songs, one by LP,
and two by Madan Mohan.
See, I told you. In the final reckoning, Madan Mohan is the
best. Classical, ghazal, qawalli, fun song, cabaret, you name it ....
Returning to Abhimaan, I must take back what I said earlier. While
"meet na milaa re man kaa" sucks, "piyaa binaa" and "ab to hai tum se
" are actually quite good.
Lata was way past her prime in Abhimaan. He should have got Asha.
"Way past her prime". What do you mean by "past one's prime" ? After
her so-called primes she sang .... (list of twenty-five 80s and 90s
songs, ending with "so gaye hain") If after this you claim she is past
her prime, I have no more argument.
Lata's voice has soul, Asha's voice has body.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Do you mean to say Asha's singing lacks soul ?
Here's an easy quiz : an extra in film f1 utters a bit of dialogue.
This dialogue becomes a title of an extremely popular song in the 2003
film f2, picturized on the son of the actor who played the villain in
film f3.Film f3 has a heroine who is related to the real-life father
of the bride in film f1, as well as to the stunt-director of film f4.
film f4 and film f2 share a common phrase in their titles.
Got it ! Solved it in 0.3 seconds ! It is blah and blah-blah and
blah-blah and blah. Waiting to crack the next quiz :-)
is newsgroup me.n ko_ii ghazal me.n dilchaspii rakhataa hai ? agar ho
to mai.n kuchh arz karuu.n ? mere aziiz ghazal gaayako.n me.n Ghulam
AliKhan saahab aur Jagjit Singh-ji hai.n
Mehdi Hassan beats Ghulam Ali by a mile.
No, I think Ghulam Ali is more mellow.
Here are the top ten romantic songs of all time. (Long list and
descriptions)
I amazed that there are some non-Noor Jehan songs you have included in
the list !
Just yesterday they had a program on NJ and they said she sang for
five years and then went to Pakistan. As if she did nothing after
that, sat at home, you know ?!. What an insult to the greatest singer!
Really, meraa khuun khaul rahaa thaa.
Relax, those announcers are lazy, ignorant bozos, and are just
indulging in self-fulfilling prophecies. Madam sang this disco song in
91, just listen to it !
In ghazals, Lata-Madan Mohan were the best. Better than your Anil
Biswas, CR, Jaidev and everyone else. Madan Mohan was an excellent
cook -whether in the matter of tunes or songs. Lata sez ! (in this clip)
Yes, but he did not use Asha at all.
Or Geeta ! She was the singer with the most expressive voice. What
fabulous bass ! And a lilt all-too-endearing. According to me, she was
better than Lata, Asha, and everyone else. Literally clear-as-bells
quality to her singing. Lata and Asha's singing is so studied, dry and
academic in comparison.
Let us compare Geeta Dutt and Noor Jehan. Both emoted so well in their
singing.
Emote ? Asha mentioned in the legends tape that Geeta Dutt couldn't
laugh while singing. So SDB made her sing instead for both of them.
Asha's comment is in such poor taste. Couldn't she find anything good
to say about Geeta Dutt ? These legends tributes really suck.
Humanity sucks. I am going to Mars.
After listening to this song, I am beginning to feel that Martians
have good taste.
Oh, they have excellent taste !
Check out the photo of the do jasoos together with Naushad.
I could not see the photo - where is it ?
It's at the SKS main website. Click away and go crazy !
Why does Naushad look petrified ?
It's because I have CR's paw around his neck.
Dev Anand is off to make his hundredth film based in Chicago "Love at
Sears Tower" He says it's going to be a very "different" romantic
film, with a totally modern feel. It's a historical moment in the
timescape of Hindi film cinema, folks. Please celebrate the great man
and his achievments!
Sheeesh ! Will he never cease being an embarrassment to his fans ?
Dev Anand has fans ? That's news to me. Who are these people ?
Dev Anand was the most dapper and well-dressed person of his times.
Always young at heart and always a thorough gentleman. Like SDB. Any
woman would love to have him !
And countless guys idolize him, too. He is a role model. What style,
what charisma, what consummate suaveness ? Who cares if he dons red
frilled shirts and blue tweed trousers ? Or even blue frilled shirts
and red tweed trousers ?
Please vote for the ten best songs of Anilda.
I refuse to vote as I cannot choose only ten representative songs for
Anilda.
"jaa mai.n tose nahiin boluu.N" is missing in your list of ten songs.
How could you !
My word, to my utter chagrin I discover that you are right. How COULD
I ? Anyway, please do vote.
"jaa main tose" deserves to be ranked among the best classical songs
in Hindi films. Lata was unparalleled in her classical singing. And
Manna De among the males.
No, I think Kishore Kumar was without a doubt the best male singer
when it came to classical. And ghazal. And bhajan. And qawali. And
chhe.D chhaa.D. And romantic song. And sad song. And...
Kishore and classical !! Well I never ! Name even one song. Can he
even compare with "man taDapat" or "duniyaa ke rakhwaale" . Did you
know Rafi's throat bled while recording the latter ?
On the subject of classical songs, does any one happen to have the
beaut "baa.Ndh preeti phul Dor" by Lata ? Lata sang it before Bade
Ghulam Ali Khan was to appear on stage at a concert. Such was the
effect, even after BGAK took the stage, people were clamoring for Lata
to sing instead of him.
If I want to listen to classical, I'll listen to Kishori or Bhimsen
Joshi or Amir Khan.Not hindi film music !
So you don't care for HFM, is it ? Too low-brow ?
Oh no ! It's all a matter of mood- you see, on day 1, Kishori Amonkar
and Amir Khan. On day 2, Mehdi Hassan and Iqbal Bano.on Day 3, SDB and
SDB,.On day 4, Jaidev, Roshan and Nadeem Shravan. On Day 5, Bappi
Lahiri and RDB. See that way I emerge feeling happy at the end of the
week. Music of all moods, that's the key.
Kishore is the best. No one says that you need to be able to sing
classical in order to be a film singer. dono.n apanii apanii jagah
kaayam hai.n
PSmith says the following on the subject of work :
....
Oh, I love PG Wodehouse. Do you ?
What, you haven't gone to sleep, yet ! It must be 4 am there, naa ?
Please send me the source of your article on Khaiyyaam,, i.e. which
website did you cut and paste from , i.e. which site did you point
your mouse and double click, wait for it to load, then copy the
selected text, go to SKS, and click on paste ?
Grrrr. I know what you mean by the "source of the article" !
Sahir was the best.
But Shailendra is the man after my heart. Shailendra's writing had the
mysticism of a Sufi poet.
But everyone recites Sahir's poetry at parties. Think of any romantic
song and it's likely to be Sahir's.
True, but Sahir appealed to a very select high-brow intellectual
cross-section of the public.
Here's a slightly more difficult quiz this time .... this singer sang
only once with this singer (OK, I'm almost sure of that)....blah-blah
singer...blah-blah ... film..blah.... director...blah....singer ...
and this actor and actress were paired only once ever in hindi films
(OK, I'm reasonably sure of that) ...film...blah..singer...Sharda...
blah......
All your clues were wrong! X also starred with Y in the Z-grade film
"Samundar Aur Ek Machhli" A sang the duet with C in 1958 P-grade film,
"Bijli Ki Sansanahat" Anyway I have still cracked the quiz. Here are
the answers !
Damn. Those were red herrings intended to throw you off the track.
Didn't work, I guess :-(
C also sang in this film with A !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and so on .....
"chalataa rahe ye kaaravaa.N,
umr\-e\-ravaa.N kaa kaaravaa.N"
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